Why A Great Record Doesn't Always Equate To Great Coaching In Youth Basketball
- Can 5-15 Be Greater Than 20-0!?

One day I got to thinking...

5 wins and 15 losses might be greater than 20 wins and 0 losses at the youth level.

And here's the whole idea behind that bizarre premise...

Some youth coaches do all the right things when it comes to long term development for their players.

On the offensive side of the ball, they teach players universal offensive concepts like...

  • How to pass and cut
  • How to move to get open
  • How to set a screen
  • How to attack a screen
  • How to set proper screens

And on the defensive side of the ball, they teach players universal defensive concepts like...

  • Moving on the pass
  • Stopping the ball and dribble penetration
  • Sliding over to stop the ball when a defender gets beat
  • How to play help defense in multiple situations off of the ball
  • Defending post screens
  • Defending down screens and back screens

Of course there's more like teaching individual skills like ball handling, scoring moves, and footwork, but you get the gist here.

Anyway, I state all of that to say this...

Good coaches teach players the universal skills and concepts that are going to give them success in the future!

It doesn't matter what defensive or offensive scheme that their coaches at the next level teach... whether it's high school, college, or even professional.

These young athletes have developed the skills and IQ to succeed!

And guess what...

It takes a lot of patience because each of these skills take time to develop and you might not see the immediate benefits in the won/loss column the first year or two of coaching. Maybe not even in the third year of coaching!

And if you are winning right away, that's mostly due to luck or recruiting...

1 - You were just lucky to get a bunch of gifted athletes on your team.

2 - You recruited the best youth players in your area.

Nothing wrong with either one... just the reality of the situation.

Sometimes doing the right thing and wanting to develop players for the future can test even the best coaches. But hang in there, your efforts will be rewarded and appreciated down the road.


When Do You Usually Start To See the Payoff For Working on the Right Skills

Most of the time the payoff occurs during puberty and post puberty from ages 12 to 16. That's when you start to see those benefits accumulate and give the athlete a competitive advantage.

That's because these young athletes have finally gained the strength, coordination, and experience to finally execute on their developed skills and basketball IQ.

It's quite common to see a group of kids who might've had mediocre win-loss records at the youth level have a lot of success at the high school level.

I've even talked to coaches where "non-elite" youth teams transformed into high school teams that made it down to state... some even made the state finals! (By the way, if you have a story like this, please let me know! We would love to share.)

So, teaching the right things might cause you to finish the season with a 5 and 15 record in 6th grade, but you might end up doing much better.

I don't know if Brian McCormick created this quote, but I heard it first from him and I really like it. It went something like this...

"You don't coach to win. You coach to develop players. However, you certainly let your players play to win."

And that's the mindset I believe we all need to embrace at the youth coaching level.

That way each kid has a chance to be properly developed for higher levels of basketball in the future.


Winning Is Easy At the Youth Level - But The Long Term Results Can Be Quite Ugly

And just in case you're feeling reluctant, let's consider the flip side of this coaching philosophy where you coach players with the sole purpose of winning...

First and foremost, winning is fairly easy to do at the youth level. Let me give you 3 ways to accomplish this.

  1. You simply recruit the biggest, most athletic players. They don't even have to be the most skilled to win at most tournaments.
  2. Once you find and recruit these players, simply run a 1-3-1 half court trap or use some type of full court pressure based on your personnel.
  3. There's an advantage to running zone defenses at this level, and it's simply this...

    They don't have to be done correctly!

    And here's why...

    You can have defenders swarm with two or three players. And then you can bring all your players close to the ball. Because kids aren't strong enough to throw skip passes with any accuracy.

    If they're accurate with the pass, it's often way too slow and even out of position defenders can steal the ball or recover.

    If they wind up enough to launch it with speed, most of the time they're going to throw it 10 feet over their teammate's head, 10 feet short, or 10 feet to the left or the right.

  4. Then on the offensive side of the ball... Have your best playmaker handle the ball all the time and tell the other players to set high ball screens for them.
  5. Have your biggest kids crash the offensive boards every single time.

    In other words, pigeonhole players, and don't develop their all around game.

Do each of these things and you're almost certain to rack up a ton of victories.

But there's just one problem with doing all of this...

Your basketball players aren't going to develop good fundamentals or good habits.

Because a lot of times those players who play that 1-3-1 zone trap, they're just taught to go for the steal every time.

They're rarely taught about good positioning. And even if they are taught good positioning, they're not taught how to defend a bunch of different positions.

They just learn poor defensive tactics that work at the youth level.

Those same tactics won't work at the higher levels when they're up against other talented kids.

This is why coaching to win at the youth basketball level doesn't equate to good coaching.

And if you finish the season 20-0 and racked up a bunch of trophies, it doesn't mean you've accomplished anything that benefits the long term development of the players on your team.


Helpful Youth Coaching Resource:

The Complete Youth Coaching System with Jim Huber



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Michael Zimmerman says:
1/18/2023 at 5:32:51 PM

Couldn’t agree more. But, how do you convince 12 year old kids that losing is ok when they, their friends, their parents and society at large is programmed to see “wins” as the yardstick for success?

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Rob says:
1/19/2023 at 12:42:07 PM

Great article.
Our grade 8 girls team is winless this season, and as a result many are losing interest in the sport and might quit after this season. For this reason we are starting to give our best players the ball about half the time so we have a chance to create a positive experience of playing in a close game and maybe even winning.
I feel ok about this compromise for now - but we will continue to develop all the right skills for all the players!

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Patrick says:
1/20/2023 at 10:54:05 AM

All the outside noise can be hard to deal with and makes it tougher for the kids. I always try to compliment the positive things we do. Great shot even if they miss but had an open look, good job seeing the open player even if the pass was a little high. I always praise hustle and effort and encourage them to have fun no matter what. After a loss I point out what we did well and what we need to continue. and always let them know how proud I am. We've lost games at times and my team had more fun playing than the winning team that was yelled at the whole game from their coach.

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Justin says:
1/18/2023 at 6:07:42 PM

Great article. This is just what I needed to hear. I coach a mid to lower level 4th grade team. I’m running the 5 out read and react offense and man to man defense. Every team we have played so far sets a double pick at the top of key for their best player. It is very effective for them. But only one or two people touch the ball. We are working on switching screens but getting better at it. I love when a player passes to the cutter for a layup or a perimeter players back cuts when they are covered. Doesn’t happen that much (yet) but really fun to see. I also try to give equal playing time. This past weekend another coach told me some of his players were asking why they don’t get play very much and he told them they weren’t good enough. Ouch, what a terrible message.

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Nick says:
1/19/2023 at 5:28:07 AM

Hey all...
I coach at the youth level in the Dominican Republic. 4th-to 6th grade league, and I am coaching the offensive and defensive principles. We are yet to see a team play man to man against us - it is all zone down here!
I get two hours a week to practice with this group, so I don''''t really have time to practice zone offenses, or anything other than basic offense, defense, and skill development since most of my kids have never played before. Does anybody have any suggestions on how to balance teaching the game the right way, versus giving these kids an opportunity to not have 40 turnovers a game because of what the other teams are doing?
Thanks

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Patrick says:
1/20/2023 at 10:38:48 AM

I coached 6th grade girls last year and all the teams we played ran a zone defense. I didn't know what other teams would run so all we did was work on basic fundamentals.

We probably worked on shooting and layups more than the high school girls team. I know that because my daughter is on the high school team and they hardly work on shooting. My offensive philosophy was if your open in your range shoot, if you can drive in than drive in.

Our offense all we ran 5 out, 4&1, and 3&2. We mostly would just set up that way and the girls would just play ball. I had them do a lot of fun passing games that help them become better passers. We never learned a zone offense and averaged 36 points a game which was also me than the high schools team.

We won our tournament because we worked hard on fundamentals and I let the girls play loose and have fun. I mention the high school team not to put them down, but to point out that all they do is run and and work on plays than when it comes to game time they have over 20 turnovers, score 20-30 points and get beat by 20. they never have fun and very few have the basic fundamentals of the game.

Teach fundamentals and let the kids have fun. always encourage and build their confidence. Don't teach them plays, but rather teach them how to play.

Best of luck!

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Robert says:
1/22/2023 at 8:03:02 PM

For me, this article comes at just the right time. It's been a long, losing season, but I do see improvements, though I don't think the kids believe it enough. Like most of the commenters, I'm the only team in the league playing M2M defense. Patrick, I'd love to know your favorite passing games that you use in practice.

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Patrick says:
1/24/2023 at 11:10:20 AM

One of my favorites is Ultimate Basketball. Divide into 2 teams, the goal can be whatever you make it. Examples are to make it to the opposite baseline or you have to make a pass inside the paint. You can have them make a certain number of passes as well. Drop pass is a turnover. Whatever you want to focus on add that to the game. You can work on a cutting to get open, teach off ball screens. I also tell whoever has the ball they have to face the basket they're going towards to help them see the court. Maybe allow only 5 seconds to hold the ball before passing to teach quick passes Sometimes I'll add 1 dribble for the person with the ball. Only add one thing at a time until they are successful then add something new. It's a great warm up to start practice.

Another thing I will do is half court 3 on 3 with no dribbles. Offense is trying to score a basket. Paint shots are 2 points everything else is 1 point. Have to have a certain number of passes before they shoot. Again what is your focus, what are you wanting to improve then add that to the drill. Add 1 or 2 dribbles if needed.

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Heath says:
1/20/2023 at 6:40:11 PM

You bring up a good point Rob. Most kids end up quitting their sports before high school because they weren''t having fun. There is a lot that factors into this but losing is a big contributor. Let''s face it, nobody likes to lose and if you do it repeatedly it can be very hard to overcome even with enthusiastic and positive coaching. I try to balance fundamentals with winning strategies.

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Chad says:
2/1/2023 at 1:23:00 PM

Same theme as many: losing record and low confidence from it. We work hard on fundamentals, etc as many commenting do. However, my team is losing their ability to rebound from it. They think they will lose before they even play 1 minute. I like the positive statements, but my question is what is a known way to create a growth minded team, that is resilient to the lows, so that proper fundamentals can be a focus, not necessarily winning all the time?

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David says:
2/1/2023 at 2:30:35 PM

I coached at the youth level for years...In the past few some of those kids are now high school players that have won sectional titles and a made state championship final four. Personally, I think the most important thing to do is run a 5 out or 4-1 motion offense so the learn to fill space and all the different cuts. Plus, you can run both vs. zone or man. On defense coaches that run zone defenses at that age tend to look at winning games instead of developing. You cannot play a strong zone defense if the players do not understand strong principles of man to man defense.
If your game or tournament schedule allows it try to find the right games in providing playing time. If you are playing a good team try to play your better players and mix in the lower level players. If playing a weaker team do the reverse so it helps grow confidence in each player with the hope they will continue to be motivated to work on growing their ability in practice and more importantly on their own. Some of the comments are correct that a lot kids quit playing in a few years. But down the road if you helped develop 3 players per grade good enough to start plus a bench that is more developed and bought in the kids have a better opportunity for more success and having more fun competing against each other day in practice to be ready for games.

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Coach Mike says:
2/1/2023 at 2:37:12 PM

Love this so much, but it really all boils down to the parents.

If they are asking the kids whether their athlete won or lost the game, then all the best coaching in the world doesn’t matter.

Instead, asking ‘what did you learn’ and ‘how did you progress’ ensures that no matter the score on the board, players have a growth mindset and develop intangible skills that will serve them their entire lives.

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Hillary says:
2/1/2023 at 2:52:54 PM

I am so glad you posted this article! I am coaching on a Pee Wee level (5-6 year olds) and I am hammering fundamentals into these kids. We play man to man and I am big on dribbling while they’re moving (most of the teams are running with the basketball like it’s a football and their coaches aren’t correcting them and of course the refs are lenient on them). My kids get frustrated because they’re playing great defense and stopping the ball and then the kid just starts running with the ball and shoots and scores. Also my kids are jump stopping and pivoting and trying to make good passes and it’s evident we’ve been working on fundamentals both offensively and defensively. I really think it will pay off for these kids athletically on down the road no matter which sport they decide to stick with. Coaching at any level is rough, but especially kindergarten and first grade because they struggle just grasping simple concepts like passing and moving to get open. It is very encouraging to read this and I hope that I’m helping future coaches have an easier job on down the road with these kiddos.

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Albert says:
2/1/2023 at 3:02:40 PM

Love the article and its premise. I started my own AAU team several years ago. It was an 8th grade team so not exactly youth. Nevertheless, I focused on those offensive and defensive fundamentals. 1st season 1-12. Ouch! Never had more than 8 players so they all played. Of original 8, 6 came back for yr 2 so I knew I had something but with players and parents. The parents trusted I had long term future in mind. 2nd year. We eon several AAU tournaments including prestigious Big Shots tournaments. Of the 6, 1 was walking at D1, 2 junior college ball, 1 d1 jv team at unc, and 1 current d1 player in SEC.
Even with losing 1st yr, we had fun. I reminded them if they would learn and focus on these offensive and defensive principles I guarantee they will be important contributors to their hs teams, if their coach had basketball sense. All 6 if them were minimal 2 yr starters on hs varsity.
I wa blessed with a great group of young men.

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Mark says:
2/1/2023 at 3:24:54 PM

Have recently (week 12) started a couple of junior basketball sessions in the uk. Love your articles and this one has come at just the right time, we were whooped by the biggest, strongest, oldest team who employ the winning tactics you mention above. I am coaching good basketball and team skills, many sessions inspired by your thoughts, so great tto read this. Thanks

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