You'll also need "friends of the program" if you know what I mean. :)

I know my response is late, but I just came upon this thread. If my response weren't different than the others, I wouldn't bother posting. In my opinion this is a no call. The coaches son had his feet planted and just the fact that he tried to take the charge is great, but the contact came late. It's very close, but it looks like the shooter has already released the ball when the contact is made. He is also standing straight up and doesn't take the charge straight on. The shooter slides slightly off the side of his chest. To the ref, it looks like he tried to take the charge, but missed. These are possible reasons why the ref may not have called the charge.

The Sampson video is a good example of the proper technique for taking a charge. They're completely out of the key when the contact is made. Their knees are bent and they're taking the contact straight on. It should look like the defender is getting knocked down by the force of the offensive player. The key is getting to the spot early. If you're under the basket when the contact is made, then it's too late.

Real nice effort though by coaches son though.

That boy had his feet set and the kid with the ball ran into him... thats a charge in my book....... of course I LOVE defense..... as long as he runs into a SET defender IN THE ACT of shooting... thats a charge... of course... you wont get the call all the time. Your boy did such a great job of getting into the proper position.... feet set, hands in the right place and accepting the contact... can't teach it any better than that.

I agree with you on taking the charge under the basket...... should be a no call but I have seen it made...... got the last T of my career arguing that call..... asked the ref.... isn't he supposed to be in a natual guarding position? YES, then I asked him what he was guarding - the ball coming thru the net? T time.
Most good refs wont make that call.

BTW - I'm glad that you never reffed any of my games. :-)

Yeah, I watched it another 20 times and his feet were definately set, but like I pointed out there are reasons why he didn't get the call. In southern California the ref would have pulled the whistle out of his mouth and told both players to get up. We'll have to agree to disagree :) Great effort by both players though. I'd like to have both of them on my team.

I can agree with that...... but I still don't want you on my games haha :-) They don't call charges on the West coast? I can understand at that age..... you don't get the best officials... usually young kids? AND yes, they could play for me too.

OK, I've been giving this a lot of thought - Are you telling us that they don't call block/charges at your level or at any level?

I can tell you that around here if a kid takes a charge like that boy did, our bench would be up cheering him as would the coaching staff. My comment to that ref would have been....... " That has to be something... a block or a charge! "

Why would the refs decide NOT to make that call, obviously that coach spent a lot of time teaching his kids HOW to play the game the correct way.. I still congratulate that coach and the boy who took that charge. GREAT JOB!!

OMG. I just typed up this big long response and I got timed out and then my whole post got lost. GRRRR! And why does the text keep bouncing up and down when I'm trying to type in a long response. I couldn't see what I was typing. I'm going to copy and paste my responses before I hit submit from now on.

Alright. I'm going to check this thread again to see if my post actually posted. If not I'll submit a brief summary of what I submitted and resubmit it.

Ok. Here it is again. I just want to make it clear that I'm not here to flame threads or start arguments. I'm not knocking Coach Rob or his son and I'm not trying to tick anyone off.

When I played you had to sell the charge. If you did not sell it or you were too far under the basket, then the ref would have called the blocking foul or he would have taken the whistle out of his mouth and told both players to get up.

In the league where I coach, that is definately a no call, but so is pushing somebody out of bounds. You get the point. I'm not here to talk about refs.

If you watch the videos again you will see two different techniques for taking charges. Coach Rob's son is standing straight up with his hands at his sides. It's hard to tell by the camera angle, but to me it doesn't look like he takes the contact straight on. The offensive player goes towards the basket, releases the ball, and brushes across the defenders chest with his backside just after he releases the ball.

The technique I learned was similar to the Sampson technique. Get to the spot, bend your knees, arms in front of you with elbows down and forarms parallel to your chest to cushion the blow. When contact is made, bend knees and fall flat on your back. It looks like your getting hit by a truck. Watch the Sampson video. It looks like they're getting hit hard. You can hear the crowd moaning in the background, but because they're using a safe technique, it doesn't hurt at all. It's actually fun. Of course the crowd doesn't know that.

What I would have liked to of seen Coach Rob's son do is get to the spot about six to eight inches further forward, get the contact earlier and straight on using the Sampson technique. I think that would have sold the refs and he would have gotten the call.

Like I said, I didn't post to flame the thread or irritate anyone. It was a great effort by Coach Rob's son, but it didn't sell. I think the technique needs work. If I had just posted, "Heck no, that's a charge." then Coach Rob goes on thinking that it was just a blown call and never sees any room for improvement. I was only trying to help. I hope Coach Rob doesn't take my comments the wrong way.

IF you watch that video again you will see the shooter turn his body giving you the illusion that the defender is NOT in the proper position - but he was.... don't forget that boy is 11 years old so his technique might not be perfect but it sure looked good to me.

His feet were standing on the free throw lane line which means he was out from the basket... as he started to take the charge his arms were in front of his body... yes, they went out as he hit the floor.

We will have to agree to disagree here..... he can play for me anytime...... I have seen high school players that couldn't do it any better than this boy did. You must have some tough refs in that league... pretty tough on 11 year olds.

Thanks for your point of view, Jim. Too much groupthink can be a bad thing.