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PostPosted: 20 May 2015, 08:49 

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I want to start out by making a difference between "fundamental" drills and "technique” drills. A fundamental would actually be used in a game. A technique is something you would use to help learn a fundamental.

I also believe that there is a law of diminishing returns when using technique drills and an over-reliance on technique drills can hurt a players development. A dynamic warm-up is a great way to start a practice but absurd to use for a whole practice.

I think form shooting is a technique drill. It will never be used in a game. I find value in using it but at the same time I think this is a drill that should be used as an introduction to more core drills. However, I find many coaches to be enamored with form shooting.

In my opinion, 1 minute of form is probably OK but 30 minutes of form shooting is probably a waste of time and most likely will start to create bad habits. There is also the whole discussion about learning to move without the ball, shooting on the move, learning to finish, etc but I would like to hear some other opinions.

Does anyone have any thoughts?


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PostPosted: 20 May 2015, 09:04 
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Good question. Books could and probably have been written about this subject.

Regarding form shooting, I agree with you. I think spending a couple minutes in every practice to develop "proper technique" and muscle memory is a good thing. But like you say it never happens like that in a game. So you need to progress to other drills.

In my experience, most coaches have a progression. The progressions vary quite a bit. But the are often something like...

2 min form shooting (two feet from basket)
2 min spin outs form shooting (includes movement and footwork)
10 shots and move back for 5 minutes minutes (take 10 shots... if you make 60% you take a step back)
Game shots - cut and receive pass for shot - 5 minutes
Shooting off the dribble game shots - 5 minutes

I have seen some coaches start by sitting in a chair, then go to standing, etc.

Personally, I don't have a specific routine I always follow. It depends on the age, size of group, and needs of the team.

In most cases with older players that already know hot to shoot... we do form shooting for 2 minutes, rhythm shooting for 4-5 minutes, and then go right to game shots. But again, it depends and certain players on the team might have a different progression that the rest of the guys.

This also related to the discussion of blocked practice versus random practice. Block practice has you repeat a skill over and over without opposition in a controlled environment. Random practice is more like a game... where defenders move, you have to make decisions, and the variables are constantly changed.

I believe that you need both. But in many cases, coaches over do the block practice.

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PostPosted: 20 May 2015, 09:30 

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I started looking into games for learning (Random) items this year. The results are really impressive. But there is something about the control a coach has with block training that is enticing.

Kirby Schepp is great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqPtzwZ9zG4

Any of the Mike McCall stuff is great. He made a statement that Canadian Basketball wants to remove as many 1-0 and 2-0 drills from their program as possible.


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PostPosted: 20 May 2015, 10:24 
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Not sure if you saw this but I took notes and diagrammed most of the Kirby Schepp and Mike Maccay video notes.
http://jeffhaefner.com/coach/a-games-approach-to-teaching-basketball-skills-video-drills/
http://jeffhaefner.com/coach/heres-an-excellent-video-game-based-skill-drills/

Just thought I'd share in case it helps to have in that format instead of one long video.

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PostPosted: 20 May 2015, 10:32 

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I did not see your notes. Excellent stuff! Thanks!


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PostPosted: 20 May 2015, 15:47 

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I've always used form shooting at the start of my practices as kids are coming into the gym, as part of their pre-practice routine. They have a routine for form shooting that eventually graduates to full speed shooting. I use it to build the technical aspects of their shot. Now that I saw some stuff about the one-motion shooting that breakthrough posted on Facebook, I may end up adjusting that technique a little, but I still like keeping that as part of my start of practice routine, and then I incorporate game speed shooting drills later in practice.

Just some thoughts.

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PostPosted: 21 May 2015, 15:34 

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Many coaches use form shooting (I do) but does it *really* work? Has anyone tried eliminating it and checked to see if the results were different?

Just a thought. Thanks.


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PostPosted: 21 May 2015, 15:35 

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I know my bad shooters got a lot better when I had them start using the routine at the start of practice, so I'll go off that data as opposed to the inverse.


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PostPosted: 22 May 2015, 14:14 
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I have eliminated form shooting before. However, I have gone back to it.

Our progression is

1. One Hand Form Shooting
2. Set Position Shooting - Ball in front of the shoulder - just like shooting a free throw. Working on coordinating the timing of extending the legs as the ball passes the set position.
3. Tuck To Set Shooting - This is pretty much catch and shoot.

Here are some notes on some the Tuck and Set positions:

https://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/fundamentals/shooting-secret-stephen-curry.html

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