The 5 out motion is for teams with 5 players that can play on the perimeter and will play with no post player.
In the 5 out motion, players are spaced around the perimeter. I like to use the 3 point line as a guide.
Players can pass and screen or pass and cut. Off the ball they may down-screen, flare screen or back-screen. They can screen or stagger screen for cutters coming out of the middle.
Players may dribble penetrate and look to score or dish.
Players may cut through the middle but can not cut and stay in the post nor can they post up. The object of the 5 out motion is to keep the middle open for cutters and dribble penetrators so the players can exploit match-ups on the perimeter.
so I am teaching this 5 out m.o..I haven't had a chance to use it yet - since the league starts in the New Year, but my question is what are the more common ways one expects to score off of this? Dribble drive? Basket cuts? backdoor cuts? all of the above? I have read over all the material on your website on the 5 out - I just want to make sure I am coaching it correctly and perhaps what to emphasize with grade 6,7,8 kids that have not played before. Thanks.
With a group of 7th graders, I like to teach the option where they pass and cut and the players fill the open spots. If the defender overplays, the offensive player goes back door.
Eventually, I like to add down screens, ball screens, and dribble hand offs for youth teams. However, progress slowly. With our team, I'm just trying get through cutting and down screens for their first year with me.
Thanks Joe! I will take your advice. Two more thoughts: 1.) is it worth videotaping any of our games so the kids can see what they are doing - i.e.: using it as a teaching tool. Or is that basically a waste of time - kids don't generally watch bball DVD's .
2.) I have read the cutter offence as described in your website, but am not positive what you mean when you say teach them how to move during dribble penetration. How do they move differently during dribble penetration? Thanks for your help.
Ray, I wouldn't spend a lot of time on the video taping, but you could put together a few clips of them doing some things well and doing some things not so well. If you keep it 5 to 10 minutes, it might be helpful.
For dribble penetration, it depends on where the offense is located and where the defense is located. For example, if I dribble penetrate along the baseline and there was a post player on the block, the post player could move up to the elbow to create space. The opposite wing could drop to the corner to create a passing lane.
I am going to try and implement this with a girls youth team. It seems simple enough to teach/learn, and as you mentioned, you can add additional movements (down screens, etc.) once they master the basics. I do have a few questions, though:
For a youth team, what would you do if the defense plays very tight on the person with the ball--so tight that she is unable to make a pass to the cutter? I would probably tell the player to drive or have the nearest player set a ball screen.
How will this offense work if the defense plays 3 steps off the offensive players?
Paul - it completely depends on the age of the players, their skill level, what they are good at, etc. So it's hard to say. One option that works well for young kids is to simply have a rule that... "the two closest players to the ball, screen for the two farthest players". This is a simple rule that allows for movement and pressure releases. If they accidentally set a double screen, that's ok. You really can't mess it up. They just move, try to follow the rules, and maintain their spacing. A motion offense is what ever you want to make it. You add the rules.
I love the 5 out motion and love Coach Perkins DVD. Big inside players are hard to find these days in youth basketball so you can train bigs to become guards early in the development process. One thing I would like to also incorporate is a good 4-Out-1-in Offense just in case I get that one special post players. Any recommendations?
First of all: What a great website you've built here! Lots of inspiration and vital info! Keep it up!
Now, my question: I am coaching a mixed 6th grade team, and we're basically playing 5 ot motion. The good news is that we get quite a good ball and leg movement going for players 1,2 and three (they pass, cut, screen, screen away) and produce opportunities off the movement. So this is where the action is.
At the same time, I am struggling to get players 4 and 5 more involved. Even though the occasionally cut to the basket, they hardly get the ball (1,2, and 3 being preoccupied with each other).
Other than that, they go for rebounds, but more often than not get pretty static because they are not involved that much in the offense action.
Any tips on moves, drills etc that
a) increases the awareness among the perimeter players for cutters deep in the post?
b) helps players in 4 or 5 to move more efficiently and get more involved?
Those type of drills will help develop players 4 & 5 and eventually they will get comfortable. Beyond that just keep working with them. It's a process that takes some time. Creating drills that teach them how to get open and then do something with the ball help. We do a lot of cutting and screening drills that teach players how to get open and then score.
You can also call "designated shooter" in practice. You can call it discretely in a huddle or out loud. So the offense has to keep working until #5 gets a shot.
TC - Also, if you running a 5 out cutting type of offense, it helps to enforce the rules...
- Watch the cutter all the way through - Don't fill the open spot until the cutter clears (this improves timing and allows the passer to watch the cutter all the way through and then after that look at the guy filling)
Jeff, I just purchased the motion offense eBook and look forward to reading it ASAP. Thank you for the website. I'm coaching a group of 3rd grade boys, some that have never played before. Do you have a recommendation? It seems the 5-out is the way to go. Are there any drills, rules you recommend at this young age/beginner level? Also, obviously, there is a huge difference in skill level of the players. I don't want to hold back the better players, any recommendations? Thanks, Coach D
Thanks for putting up this site. Great resources. I was a High School Varsity Assistant for 7 plus years and recently found myself coaching my daughters 3rd and now 4th grade girls hoops club team. I went to the 5-0 motion this year and it has definitely helped improve the girls understanding of fundamental concepts of the game. The one drill that helped my team out the most was a having a girl at the top of the key and a coach on d in front of her. She passes to a wing,(with a light defender) and then does a basketcut towards the ball side(important that they set the coach up with a jab step opposite the way they pass before cutting). The wing then passes to the cutter for a jump shot or lay up. The area that is most difficult at the lower levels is the abilty of the passer to get the ball to the cutter around a defender. This drill has helped improve both cutting and passing.
One point on the 5-0 motion that needs to be addressed is how to enter into the offense. The screening angles are not optimal so their is a high risk of teams overplaying and getting a steal/fast break. I have switched mid season from getting the players into their spots as has been diagramed, to starting the offense with the baseline players exchanging and coming off a downscreen by the 2's and 3's. It has helped us get into the offense with a greater success for those teams out there without a strong point.
my question is how does this work against zone defenses. I used it against a 2-1-2, not sure what zone it was to tell you the truth, but I spread my guys out in a 5 out motion and we get several easy looks at the basket in the paint! What are your thoughts coaches? Coach Bernie Vegas Elite