Comments on: Why Shoot With An Arc? http://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/blog/index.php/why-shoot-with-an-arc/ Basketball Coaching Tips, Training Tips, and Strategy Thu, 17 May 2012 02:17:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: hoopster216 http://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/blog/index.php/why-shoot-with-an-arc/comment-page-1/#comment-2072 hoopster216 Thu, 18 Nov 2010 03:20:06 +0000 http://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/blog/?p=611#comment-2072 I have to remember to bring my slide rule with me to practice next time... I have to remember to bring my slide rule with me to practice next time…

]]> By: Peter http://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/blog/index.php/why-shoot-with-an-arc/comment-page-1/#comment-1815 Peter Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:06:21 +0000 http://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/blog/?p=611#comment-1815 Don't forget also the rebounding advantage on a high arc shot. The ball will generally drop inside the paint instead of rebounding over heads and potentially out of court. Don’t forget also the rebounding advantage on a high arc shot. The ball will generally drop inside the paint instead of rebounding over heads and potentially out of court.

]]> By: I KNOW http://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/blog/index.php/why-shoot-with-an-arc/comment-page-1/#comment-1814 I KNOW Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:03:12 +0000 http://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/blog/?p=611#comment-1814 If you get yourself above the rim on a ladder it IS possible to get 2 balls through the hoop at the same time. They only just fit, but it does work, I have tried it. If you get yourself above the rim on a ladder it IS possible to get 2 balls through the hoop at the same time. They only just fit, but it does work, I have tried it.

]]> By: Jeremy http://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/blog/index.php/why-shoot-with-an-arc/comment-page-1/#comment-1787 Jeremy Sat, 26 Jun 2010 13:39:09 +0000 http://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/blog/?p=611#comment-1787 This Noah shooting chart seems to confirm Dale's calculations http://www.noahbasketball.com/pdfs/What_the_Ball_Sees.pdf Most of my internet googling seems to come to the same conclusion. That being said I'm sure we all have seen it happen where two or even three balls get caught in the net at the same time. I would say because these calcs assume at exactly the same time they don't take into account the downward force that may cause the balls to be able to squeeze through or the fact that if one ball is a tenth of a second a head of the other ball they can both get through. Anyway these are all technicalities and the whole premise still rings true that the hoop is a heck of a lot bigger than most people think and the margin for error and still swishing a shot is very large if you have a good downward trajectory on your shot. Today so many kids shoot these line drive wrist flip shots that have no margin for error and then wonder why they can't shoot 50% from the line (many NBA players included) - 90% of the time its the trajectory of the shot. Shameless plug for Tom Nordlands Swish method of shooting here - shooting really is that simple. This Noah shooting chart seems to confirm Dale’s calculations http://www.noahbasketball.com/pdfs/What_the_Ball_Sees.pdf

Most of my internet googling seems to come to the same conclusion.

That being said I’m sure we all have seen it happen where two or even three balls get caught in the net at the same time. I would say because these calcs assume at exactly the same time they don’t take into account the downward force that may cause the balls to be able to squeeze through or the fact that if one ball is a tenth of a second a head of the other ball they can both get through.

Anyway these are all technicalities and the whole premise still rings true that the hoop is a heck of a lot bigger than most people think and the margin for error and still swishing a shot is very large if you have a good downward trajectory on your shot.

Today so many kids shoot these line drive wrist flip shots that have no margin for error and then wonder why they can’t shoot 50% from the line (many NBA players included) - 90% of the time its the trajectory of the shot.

Shameless plug for Tom Nordlands Swish method of shooting here - shooting really is that simple.

]]> By: Joe Haefner http://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/blog/index.php/why-shoot-with-an-arc/comment-page-1/#comment-1785 Joe Haefner Fri, 25 Jun 2010 18:39:38 +0000 http://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/blog/?p=611#comment-1785 Thanks for the calculations, Dale. Those calculations are also assuming that all of the basketball are in there at the widest point. Maybe the basketballs are sitting in the hoop, but not at the widest point? I'm curious. I might have to test it out myself. But like you said, that's not the point of the article. Thanks for the calculations, Dale.

Those calculations are also assuming that all of the basketball are in there at the widest point. Maybe the basketballs are sitting in the hoop, but not at the widest point? I’m curious. I might have to test it out myself.

But like you said, that’s not the point of the article.

]]> By: DaleH http://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/blog/index.php/why-shoot-with-an-arc/comment-page-1/#comment-1783 DaleH Fri, 25 Jun 2010 17:41:13 +0000 http://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/blog/?p=611#comment-1783 I hate to nit-pick because this is a simple but often overlooked point to emphasize to young players. However I believe there are a few inaccuracies in this article. First, it is incorrect to state that 5 basketballs will fit in a hoop. Area of hoop = pi * (radius ^ 2) = pi * (9 ^ 2) = 254.47 square inches The radius of a men's basketball (29.5" circumference) = circ / pi / 2 = 4.70 Thus, the circular area of a men's basketball = pi * (4.70 ^ 2) = 69.40 square inches Therefore, the theoretical number of basketballs which can fit into a standard basketball hoop = 254.47 / 69.40 = 3.67 Thus, the area of a hoop is 3 2/3 times the area of a standard men's basketball. Of course, because of the actual shape of the ball, 3 basketballs can't go through a hoop at one time. In fact, I don't believe 2 baskteballs can go through the hoop at a time. The diameter of a 29.5 baskteball is 9.39 inches, which is a bit more than 3/8 of an inch greater than half the diameter of the 18 inch hoop. A women's ball (28.5) has a diameter of just a hair over 9 inches (9.07 inches), so 2 women's balls won't quite fit either (unless you give a bit of a shove). Of course, all this is secondary to the main point of the article, which is an important point: shots with decent arc have a better chance of going in than flat shots. I hate to nit-pick because this is a simple but often overlooked point to emphasize to young players. However I believe there are a few inaccuracies in this article.

First, it is incorrect to state that 5 basketballs will fit in a hoop.

Area of hoop = pi * (radius ^ 2) = pi * (9 ^ 2) = 254.47 square inches

The radius of a men’s basketball (29.5″ circumference) = circ / pi / 2 = 4.70

Thus, the circular area of a men’s basketball = pi * (4.70 ^ 2) = 69.40 square inches

Therefore, the theoretical number of basketballs which can fit into a standard basketball hoop = 254.47 / 69.40 = 3.67

Thus, the area of a hoop is 3 2/3 times the area of a standard men’s basketball. Of course, because of the actual shape of the ball, 3 basketballs can’t go through a hoop at one time.

In fact, I don’t believe 2 baskteballs can go through the hoop at a time. The diameter of a 29.5 baskteball is 9.39 inches, which is a bit more than 3/8 of an inch greater than half the diameter of the 18 inch hoop. A women’s ball (28.5) has a diameter of just a hair over 9 inches (9.07 inches), so 2 women’s balls won’t quite fit either (unless you give a bit of a shove).

Of course, all this is secondary to the main point of the article, which is an important point: shots with decent arc have a better chance of going in than flat shots.

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